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Dear Readers,
It seems like only a few days since I finished the August issue! And yet here we are, with September issue already completed. Time passes so quickly!
Here in Switzerland the federal police are very active. They have written a letter to all ISP's, asking them to Hc7delete all content with explicit sexual or racist content. It's similar to the Compuserve problems in Germany. Most of these people talked about the so-called "Sexual Revolution" since 1970 or so, but they remain in the Middle Ages.

At the moment I have to be very careful about what I can post and what I must censor. I may even have to change the hosting service for the Patent Letter to one in another country. Eventually I will also have to censor some images in the older content. That's why any and all material (both images and text) with a heavy S&M theme has no chance of being published in this current issue of the Patent Letter. Besides. the focus of the Patent Letter is on High Heels and not on S&M, even though I agree that the combination of the two topics can be quite interesting. In fact, there is no bondage for my feet (in the picture), but my hands are bound together......

I have finished our listserv/mailing list. Anyone can join the list and post messages. Currently there are over 50 members.

Here's a little Q&A for you...

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A: Send an e-mail message to members-request@patentletter.com. Leave the "Subject" line empty but insert the words "SUBSCRIBE" or "JOIN" (without the quotation marks) in the body of the message. After you have sent the message you will receive a confirmation from the mailing list server stating that you are now a new member of the Patent Letter mailing list.

Q: How many languages are supported?
A: Members can post in every language. I don't believe there is currently enough member input to make three different mailing lists (German, English & French). I also believe that most of the current subscribers can post messages in English. Besides, it's too much work for me to support three different lists! If there ever is too much content with hard-to-read messages, I will then censor the list.PICG00009

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members@patentletter.com with question, suggestion etc. All members will receive the message and can reply directly to your post. Undeliverable addresses will be dropped immediately. The mailing list is not moderated at the moment. However, if there ever is too much adult advertising being posted I will then begin moderating it!

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Wanted by the Patent Letter:
We are looking for someone who can check all the links for Patent Letter around the world. Due to the long absence of the Patent Letter we have lost some of our former readers, who don't know our new URL. If anyone has the time & desire to assist with this toilsome work for us, please send us an e-mail!

The start of every project is hard work, yet we hope to do even more with the Patent Letter in the future. Currently, though, there is a serious lack of reader input. I'd like to make the content at PL more attractive and I really don't want to copy images from the net, but at the moment there is no other way to fill an issue! So please spend some time at your computer, write your personal story and don't forget your camera!

To continue my series of "High Heels in the Mountains", I have chosen my wife's Vivian Westwood platform high heel. The image is more than a half year old, but it's one of my favorites on my private home page. It's made in the central Swiss mountains.

Some statistics:
-- Since I took over maintaining the Patent Letter on August 22, 1998, there were 33104 visitors to the site. There should be more!  -- The August issue of the Patent Letter August was downloaded 13444 times in English, 2736 times in German and 609 times in French. This gives a bandwidth usage of more than 16 GB. Inconceivable! And downloads of the older issues of the Patent Letter aren't even included in these figures! This means I'll have to compress the images.....

Thanks to all Patent Letter contributors (Toe, Jenny, Mistress Anonymous, Ricardo, Spike and Mary, Rolf Weiss ... Steve to correct my intro ... and many more!)

Now...enjoy the September issue of the Patent Letter!  
Tom, Editor

Please send in some comments to Tom

Hello everyone!
I'm here to share with you one of my favorite experiences. I'm a 27 year old dominant female who LOVES to wear shiny black 6 inch heels and to tease and torment my lover with them.
        We met via the internet and talked for months before we decided to meet each other for real.  I don't know why we waited so long because we hit it off right away.  Anyway after meeting a couple of times just to talk and spend some time together, we decided to meet in a hotel room,, and I am so glad we did. 
        He opened the room door for me and we entered, put our bags down, and immediately started to heat up to each other, kissing and running our hands all over each other, the whole time both of us knowing we couldn't wait for the appearance of the shiny black stiletto's.
        So I took my bag and went into the bathroom to "get ready". A few minutes later I was ready to come out so I told him to be at the door and ready to submit.  And boy was he ready..i opened the door and stood before him.  I was dressed 7inch3in a shiny Black PVC outfit, the half-top was just enough to barely cover the bottom curves of my breasts, cleavage spilling out,  tight black shiny pants, no stockings just bare skin,and of course my beautiful 6 inch black patent leather pumps. 
         He just stood there, mouth half-hanging open,, naked except for his boxers,, and his cock standing at attention.  He dropped to his knees and started praising every inch of me.  And of course he started with my heels.  He Loved them.Ld504
         I sat on the edge of the bed and he held my leg up to his face and started kissing my shiny black heel and licking it to keep it as shiny as possible.  I used my other foot  and started rubbing on his cock with the toe of my shiny pumps and right away saw the precum dribble right through his boxers,, He was feeling ecstasy, I knew it,,and so was I.  So he kept sucking on my shoes and I kept rubbing his cock, he was moaning and breathing so heavily that I knew he was close to cumming.  And like a good boy Ballet1he asked for my permission to cum and of course being the bitch I was, I said "No".  First he would have to take off his boxers, which he did in a half- second.. Then i wanted him to masturbate, but not in his hand, in my shoe.  So he took one of my shiny black pumps off and he placed it over his cock and balls,, and he started 'pumping' in and out of my beautiful heels.  One thing he needs to work on is holding on to his load because I think it was less than 15 seconds of pumping when he started begging for me to let him cum in my shoe,, I was laughing so hard because he loooked so desperate for release, I loved it.  So I relented and let him cum.  He shot his load so hard and long all over the inside of my shiny heels and made such a beautiful mess. Needless to say all of this teasing had made my pussy dripping wet and wanting his cock so bad.  But that's for another issue.
Mistress (wants to be anonym)

Hi,
my name is Riccardo and I'm wiritng from Italy. Only a couple of days ago I discovered the wonderful Patent Letter. The greatest passion of my life are high stiletto heels, especially those of pumps. HIGHH~39 (1)This love goes toghether with that of submission: a woman wearing high heels and sheer stockings has total power over me and I quickly become her humble slave. Of course, my favourite form of submission in trampling, which makes me feel the heels as tools of total domination.

Patent Letter is simply the best website about high heels. I think the images anyone can find here are the dreams of every heel lover. The stories are wonderful too: people who live their love for high heels in spite of what "ordinary" men think. Thank you very much for mantaining this fantastic site.

In the end I have a question for you: are there among your readers any dominas who live in Italy? If yes, is there any way to contact them? Thank
you again

Dominas in Italy please write to Riccardo. ED Tom

From Toe

Good fortune is smiling on me. While on a business trip last week I meet a fantastic women named Erica. As I have written in past issues of PL I like to entertain myself while out of town by dressing up in cut off jeans and a t-shirt. Underneath I have on a longleg panty girdle, hose,bra and 5 or 6 inch heels.
The other night while making a stop at a local Starvin Marvin shop I entered the store just to walk around in my heels and to see what kind of a reaction I would get from the female clerk. Well to my surprise she began talking to me and telling me how she had never seen a man dressed like this beforeC1F but that she really thought it was great. We talked for minutes with me dressed in my outfit. Then she asked me why I did this and I told her that I love heels and that women wear heels so I should wear the under garments  of a women to complete my transformation.
While we talked a customer came in so Erica had me go into the office so as not to distrupt our conversation. After the customer left she suggested that we meet at my room so we could continue our discussion.
I gave her my motel room number and left. Before leaving she told me to keep my outfit on but to get rid of the t shirt and jeans. In about an hour there was a knock on my door and Erica came in. She was dressed in shorts and a tub top with a nice pair of blue pumps. We continued our conversation and after some time I told her that I had a fanC1Gtacy of cuming on the shoes of a pretty women while she was wearing them. I have cum on many shoes before but never with them being worn by the owner. She said she would be willing to do that. She took off her top and shorts and stood their nude as I proceeded to jack off in front of her.We continued to talk as I worshipped her shoes. I felt her up but did not do anything more then that. After only a few minutes I placed a large wad of cum on her feet and shoes. It was great.I asked if I could take some pictures of her. She agreeded if I would limit them just to her shoes. I took several pictures and have sent some of them to you. Erica was fantastic and a real joy to be around. I tried to give her some money for her trouble but she refused she said she just wanted to help an older guy out. What a gal!!!!!!

Tom,  Thanks for taking the helm of Patent Letter.  I have been a reader ever have been addicted to High Heels since I was 11 years old, when I tried on my sisters black pumps in her closet.  I worked in a shoe store during high school, so was able to get heels to wear in private until I went in the service.  My first wife wore very high he9806hose-01els until after we were married, then stopped.  When I revealed my desire, she lost it.  We were married 20 years, and my high heel love was just on hold.
    When I married my second wife, I told her of my love of heels, and she wore them a lot, and even got some 6 and 7 inch heels for the bedroom.  She actually suggested that if I like heels that much, that she would get me some if I would like to try wearing them.  That was the beginning of a long and great marriage.  What we discovered was that she was as turned on by my dressing in nylons, heels and langerie as I was.  We have been married 22 years, and spend at least 3 nights a week dressed in errotic clothing, and always high heels. 
    My wife has over 100 pair, with at least 30 pair over 5 inches, and her highest are 12 inch heeled 6 inch platform pumps with ankle straps.  I have 35 pair, all 5 inch or over, with some as high as 7 inch.  We both have a new pair of black patent pumps with 7 inch heels and 1.5 inch platforms.

    We always wear heels to bed when we make love, and sometimes end up going to sleep in heels and nylons.  Makes for some nights in which we don't sleep too much.  We belong to a group of like minded people here in Southern California, and have some get togethers where both men and women dress in heels.  9806shoes-15

     We have really enjoyed Patent Letter.  It is good to know that there are others that feel as we do.  We have expanded our interests, and now include leather, lycra, vinyl and rubber along with our heels.  Recently we have tried tight lacing and have started collecting corsets also. 
     Thanks again for the work.

 Spike and Mary in Souther California

Being a TV,tvinga4 (1) I've been a high heel fetishist as long as I can remember. I recall my Uncle having many photos of Bettie Page and magazines that featured her in his workbench in his basement. I was a constant visitor and stayed days at a time. Being a snoopy kid, I always would try on my aunts nice high  heels and wear them while they were both at worked. One day I found the "Mother Load".....6" high heels! And not just one pair, but several pairs, many of the same styles as Bettie Page was posing in for the magazines in my uncles workbench. I wore them as often as I could, becoming aroused and hating that my feet where growing. Now I can look back in hindsight antvinga7 (1)d





see clearly, being a kinky high heel 
fetishist must be hereditary, and quite enjoyable to BOOT!  I only wish more women would still be wearing stilettos, garter belts and short fashions that I love so well too. I'm hoping to find a mature, high heeled lady who also loves what I've mentioned to share it with. Also since I've enjoyed the photos in Patent Letter, here are some of mine I hope you can use. Should anyone wish to swap footnotes with me, I can be contacted at <tvinga@neo.lrun.com>.  
Regards Inga

Hi there
My name is Jennifer - I'm 32 from UK.  I just love wearing high heels - they turn me on so much.  I would like to share with you a short story about my childhood that I wrote a couple of years ago. I hope you like it.  Best of luck with the new format of the Patent Letter.  I am sure that I speak for all my fellow high-heel lover netizens in wishing the ezine every success in its new incarnation.

Best Wishes Jenny

Highs and lows of my childhood   (C) Jennifer 1995 - London(UK).

I can't remember when I first was attracted to my Mum.  I suppose I must have been a little girl of about three years old.  Mum did a part time job as a secretary in the arw1fternoons and she always dressed up very smartly for work.  After she had collected me from nursery school, I was playing on the living room floor, but the double doors were open to the kitchen.

We used to have a quarry-tiled kitchen floor and I guess it was the sound that first attracted me.  In a short while, I had lost interest in my dolls and was staring through the doorway, listening to the tip-tap of mum's shoes as she went to and fro getting tea ready.  I was able to observe her rhythmic movements from ground level as she passed by the doorway.  I moved closer.

As I watched, I developed a game where I tried to guess when she would appear through the doorway by listening to the clicking of her high-heels on the tiles.  I had to get closer; I picked my doll and crawled into the kitchen.  I pretended to play with my doll, but really my attention was focused on Mum.  I got a good view from down there.

Mum was exceptionally good looking. She always dressed immaculately as well, in smart skirt suits with pretty short sleeved jacket and blouse or beautiful dresses.  She warw2s always saying to my sister, Joan,  "Make the best of yourself, love.  You could transform yourself with a nice dress, shoes, and a decent hair do".  Joan, however was quite content to clump around in Doc Martin's and baggy trousers.  I watched transfixed, as mum's hair and dress flowed with her steps while her smooth white arms swung along with the tapping of her heels.  She wasn't just my Mum, she was a Goddess, she was everything that I desired to be.  As she stood by the sink she rocked her foot back and forth on the heel before gracefully gliding across the room, her stilettos ringing out on the floor with each step.  I was entranced....I wished I was her.....

"Jen !", said Mum.  "Get back in the lounge.  I've nearly tripped over you three times- can't you see I'm trying to make the tea ?"  Sullenly, I obeyed.  I went back into the lounge where my older sister, Joan, had come home from school.  When we sat down for tea, I tried to get a glimpse of mum's high heels again when she brought the meal in but she had taken them off in favour of her slippers.  What a contrast!  She was just an ordinary mum again, but still beautiful and special to me.

From then on, what had been a momentary fascination turned into a real interest for me.  Sometimes after lights out, before going to bed, I would walk around on tip-toe pretending that I was mum.  I would swivel and twirl, but without the shoes, my feet and legs soon got tired and it wasn't the same.  When I was picked up from school, I used to watch all the other mums and give them marks out of ten for how high their heels were and how good they were at wearing them: little girl's minds work in strange ways!  Mum was the best, there was no doubt.  Some of them were useless: tripping and teetering along with about as much grace as a lame giraffe.

"Sarah", said a friend to my mum one day, " How do you manage to walk so smoothly in such high heels. They must be well over 4"; I could never balance properly in those and my feet would ache".

"Just practice, I suppose, Janet", confided mum, "There was a time when I wore nothing else for three years and your muscles adapt to them.  After a time your heels feel such a part of you that you can wear them all day and hardly feel they're there.  I suppose I wear them out of habit now.  They're as comfortable as flats; I've even got some pairs over 5" high."

Janet looked a little sceptical at this:  I thought out of envy, but I knew mum was telling the truth.  I made up my mind to be as skilful as mum one day.  I loved her and wanted to be just like her.

When I turned eight, mum stopped wearing her high-heels.  Fashion changed a bit I suppose.  She threw most of her old shoes out.  I asked why but she just said, "time for a change".  There wrw3ere still one or two pairs of stilettos at the bottom of the cupboard.  I used to try them on playing "Dressing up" but they weren't too much fun as my little feet only fitted into the front part and they felt just like flats.  The heels scraped along behind me as I stumbled around.  It wasn't a bit like mum's graceful tip-tapping.  If I lifted them off the ground, my feet would only slip out of them.  Still, they were better than nothing, but how I yearned for a pair that fitted me properly.

One day mum found me stumbling around the front drive.

"What are you doing trying to walk in those old things?", she demanded, "You're making a fool of yourself and you'll only break your ankle."  With that, she took them off me and chucked them in the dust bin.  Of course, I sneaked them out when I thought she wasn't looking, but mum was too wise for that.

"Jen!", she shouted as she caught me with them, "Will you do as I say?".  She lifted me up, brought me and the shoes indoors, and threw them onto the fire.  Tears filled my eyes as I watched the leather start to smoulder in the grate and I realised that they would be ashes, long before my feet ever grew to fit them.

"Mum!" I sobbed, "I was only dressing up!"

"First learn to grow up, Jennifer, then you can dress up", she retorted.

"Life's not fair", I thought, but there was no arguing and that was that.

The years passed. I was eleven. I wished my mum's old shoes were still around as I could probably get more of a feel for them, even though size 5's were too big for me.  My sister Joan was eighteen- she was nice, but she didn't share the good looks of my mum  as I was lucky enough to do.  Joan always wore such frumpy clothes and never high-heels, so I couldn't secretly borrow some from her.  I used to beg mum to buy me a pair "just for the house" when we were in the shoe shop, but she always said "Don't be silly- you're not old enough.", or, " I've hardly enough money to buy you shoes for school- your feet grow so quickly."  How I longed so much for a pair that fitted me- just so I could try out the feeling of walking in them properly.  The memories of my childhood were strong.

One day, when I was gone thirteen, I was at a car boot sale with my sister and I found a pair of high-heels under a pile of clothes.  They were black suede courts with 41/2" stilrw4etto heels- a bit like mum used to wear.  I held my breath and looked underneath - size 31/2 - perfect.

" One pound those, sweetie", said the stallholder, noting my interest.

One pound !  My pocket money would stretch to that.  I handed over the cash and he put them in a plastic bag for me.  I was too embarrassed to try them on.

"Don't let mum see those, Jen", advised Joan. "She'll chuck them out".

"You wont tell, will you ?",  I asked.

"Of course not", she replied. "But hide them in your bedroom or something; mum will only go on about wasting money if she sees them."

My sister was so helpful- some sisters could be very spiteful, but never her.

I couldn't wait to get back home and up to my room.  Upstairs, I stripped off my trainers, socks, and jeans and stood there in my T-shirt holding the bag, my heart thumping.  Gingerly, I took my treasure out and placed them on the floor.  They were nearly new, hardly worn, a real bargain.  I just looked at them for 10 minutes on the floor side by side.  Gosh they were high- but really graceful.  My stomach was light.  I felt hot.

Suppose they didn't fit or I couldn't walk in them ?  There was only one way to find out.  Heart still thumping, I raised my self high on tip-toe and slipped one bare foot into the soft suede.  It snuggled in perfectly, as did the other, the heel rocked slightly from side to side as each  foot settled in.

I stood there for a full minute, breathing deeply, my hips forward and body adjusting to the new posture.  It felt so good- the frustrations of years were released.  I was becoming wet down below.  I took a couple of hesitant steps towards the mirror- the feeling was indescribable- so blissfully  feminine. I felt like a real woman.  It was like growing up ten years in two minutes.

 I examined my shoes in the mirror, rocking back on the heel like mum used to do.  They were so high that I could barely walk.  They would take some practice, but they were mine.  My first pair of real heels.

I would pracrw5tice walking in my shoes in the bedroom and hide them at the back of a drawer afterwards as my sister had suggested.  The bedroom wasn't brilliant because as soon as I got into my stride, I met up with the opposite wall. I did however have my mirror and I stood in front of it taking a few small steps, trying out different positions for standing and generally admiring my new acquisitions. Oh how my feet and legs ached during those first few weeks and months. But it was worth it.....  I was happy.

If mum was out for the day then it was time to venture father afield.  As soon as the door closed, I was brushing my hair, putting on some make up and digging a pretty summer frock out of the wardrobe.  Then, it was down to the kitchen and lounge to pretend to be mum.  I used to spend hours in the kitchen strutting back and forth. pirouetting around, going about the housework.  It was better in there: there was plenty of room to walk and I got used to the full height of my shoes instead of the heel sinking 1/2 " into the soft carpet.  The only trouble was that I would end up by doing the washing up, cleaning and housework a hundred times over during these sessions.

Sometimes Joan would be in the lounge reading a book and she would call out.

"Jen, you're mad ! You've been tip-tapping around all day, the whole house is absolutely spotless and you're still cleaning it ! Added to that you're dressed to kill.  You're so pretty, yet so crazy- pretty crazy I'd say".  Then she added, "Just like mum".  She didn't know it but it was the finest complement she could have paid me.

Once I saw mum coming back early.  I raced upstairs, whipped off  my heels and hid them away.  I was about to change my dress when I heard her call me.

"Jennifer, come down here."

Oh no -no escape- not even time to take off my make up.  Had mum caught on ? I went a I was.  Mum however, was in a good mood.

"Jennifer, the house looks like new, I never seem to have to do the housework anymore." And then:

"Darling, you're dressed up like for a night out.  You look six years older- go and wash that make up off at once." And then:

"Anyway, I've bought you some new clothes and some make up for doing the house for me.  I know how you like dressing up.  Darling, you do look beautiful ". She gave me a hug.

Typical of her! She would discourage me with one breath and encourage me with the next.  It was as though she didn't want me to grow up but was gradually accepting the fact.  She had brought me a smart skirt and matching jacket just like she wore.  It was a good thing that I had taken my shoes off.  She might have flipped if she'd seen them.  I wouldn't have fancied watching clothes, shoes, and make up going up in smoke.  Anything might happen with mum sometimes.  We made a right pair!

One time mum went away on holiday for a week with a boyfriend leaving my srw6ister with me.  It really was open season then; I wore high heels all week- to the pub, the cinema, out shopping.  I hardly took them off.  I even wore them in bed!  My months of practice had indeed paid off. My legs were strong and supple enough to allow me to walk around all day without too much discomfort- those shoes just became a  part of me.

Joan loved going out with me when I was dressed up.  My fourteen years looked more like nineteen and we could go anywhere together.  She always dressed a bit like a fellow in jacket, trousers, and loafers.  I suppose that we were both role playing in a way.  She enjoyed the company of some one feminine and pretty while I looked up to her superior years and steady masculine qualities- almost like the dad I'd never had. Whatever the reasons, we were inseparable.

I was nearly seventeen and had just done well in my exams.  It was a long hot summer- I was out in town with mum when she said:

"Do you remember how you always used to ask me to buy you some high heels when you were younger".

"I suppose so", I replied,  not quite sure where this was leading to.

"Well ", she said, "let me buy you some today- you're old enough now and you're allowed to wear them  in the sixth form."

"That would be nice".  I tried not to show my true feelings of joy.

We visited some shoe shops and I tried on a pair of lace up courts- good for school.  They were well over 4" high but easy to wear after my years of secret practice.  As I walked smoothly back and forth  turning and walking without so much as the slightest teeter, mum was a little surprised.

"Jen", she laughed, " You're a natural in heels.  You bring back memories of when I was younger."

Mum bought the shoes for me and amazingly, bought some others for herself.

"They're back in  fashion now, " she said, " and I haven't  worn them for years ".  Then she continued, " Jen, come on ! let's wear them now ". Mum's eyes sparkled.  She looked ten years younger.  I'd never seen her quite like this before.  We slipped into our new shoes in the shop and set off together through the shopping malls.

We walked along like two best friends, sometimes holding hands.  I felt so good as our laughter mingled with the clicking of our heels on the marble.  I'd grown up like mum at last- it was a long time coming but worth waiting for.  It was the happiest day of my life.

The End

Images from the CD "High Heels on CD Vol. 1". A gift from Rolf Weiss by rowe stilletto

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Here's a link about used shoes in an excellent photographic quality. No nudity - just shoes.
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/6403/
Greetings from Germany <<<ANNE>>>

Link from germany:
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Love your Aug letter! Welcome! I especially like the
photo of the three babes with their legs up on the bench. It was a real "turn-on"!!! I have a website now and it's mainly pics of me in my shiny black patent attire (in a week or so). It's called: "Dan's distinctive black patent leather". Take care. Dan.
http://members.tripod.com/~drbastian/index-7.html

Just wanted to point out a new page for you:
http://www.geocities.com/FashionAvenue/6528/highheel.htm
Susan

My name is Natalia and I come from Scandinavia. I´m 26 years old and live to dress in High heels, suspenders and stockings as much as I can. I will send you a few pictures that you could put up in case you would like. I only hope that you could put a link to my page or my E-mail.
Love and kisses, Natalia.
http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/8459/index.htm

Hi All The Wet and Messy Shoe Page has been updated again! Featuring the world's first Wet and Messy Shoe Video.
http://members.aol.com/ws888

Thanks to Steve from Janet's Foot Tease http://www.foot-tease.com
steve@foot-tease.com

And here is a special Link for all highheels fans: The free site ASFF form George Gerez is back again! He has a excellent search engine, try it!

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Please send in new good HighHeels Link's .. Tom

bd10cSEEKING : Aussie male seeks Australian Female ( any age!!) into high  heels, leather, rubber, anything else that takes your fancy!!
Correspondence by E mail initially, possibility of meeting if desired.  Reply to mav@fan.net.au

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